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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Bad guy&#8217; or not, Adnan hunger strike was about due process</title>
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		<title>By: Piotr Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Steve will just keep repeating &quot;did you see the video&quot;?

In the moral universe of Steve, people have various categories of righteousness and evility that are precisely determined by the wise people he trusts.

All evil people can be tortured any time wise people find it useful.

Evil people can be assassinated any time wise people find it useful.

And they can be detained and released any time wise people find it useful.

No treaty, law, etc. should be used to undermine the judgement of wise people.  Criticism of the activity of the wise against the evil people is also evil, and the proper actions should be devised by the wise people. 

Not hard to understand.  In cases where nothing supports the wisdom of the wise people, like the kidnapping, torture, prepostereous indictment, denial of medical care and continuing solitary confinement of Dirar Abu Sisi we must admit that the wise people are wiser that we are and bow to their larger wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Steve will just keep repeating &#8220;did you see the video&#8221;?</p>
<p>In the moral universe of Steve, people have various categories of righteousness and evility that are precisely determined by the wise people he trusts.</p>
<p>All evil people can be tortured any time wise people find it useful.</p>
<p>Evil people can be assassinated any time wise people find it useful.</p>
<p>And they can be detained and released any time wise people find it useful.</p>
<p>No treaty, law, etc. should be used to undermine the judgement of wise people.  Criticism of the activity of the wise against the evil people is also evil, and the proper actions should be devised by the wise people. </p>
<p>Not hard to understand.  In cases where nothing supports the wisdom of the wise people, like the kidnapping, torture, prepostereous indictment, denial of medical care and continuing solitary confinement of Dirar Abu Sisi we must admit that the wise people are wiser that we are and bow to their larger wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Piotr Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times it is OK to capture, torture, keep for few months and release in a single documented act of support for &quot;illegal organization&quot; (Israel devalued the meaning of it quite a bit)?

Once?  Seven?  Twenty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times it is OK to capture, torture, keep for few months and release in a single documented act of support for &#8220;illegal organization&#8221; (Israel devalued the meaning of it quite a bit)?</p>
<p>Once?  Seven?  Twenty?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khader Adnan is an Islamic Jihad member. And he used to be one of their spokesmen.
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Yet extreme-left anti-Israel bigots who pretend to be peace activists were rooting for him, &quot;in solidarity.&quot; Sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khader Adnan is an Islamic Jihad member. And he used to be one of their spokesmen.<br />
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Yet extreme-left anti-Israel bigots who pretend to be peace activists were rooting for him, &#8220;in solidarity.&#8221; Sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: Piotr Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you see Rico, Shin Beth is better at using search engines than you.  I do not know Arabic and the translator of the video is unreliable.  But the legal issue remains: how many times it is OK to detain and torture a bad guy on the basis of one video?  Is 6 times enough?

And if we torture evil Khader 6 times, and innocent Abu Sisi once (well, but for a year), are we 85% righteous?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you see Rico, Shin Beth is better at using search engines than you.  I do not know Arabic and the translator of the video is unreliable.  But the legal issue remains: how many times it is OK to detain and torture a bad guy on the basis of one video?  Is 6 times enough?</p>
<p>And if we torture evil Khader 6 times, and innocent Abu Sisi once (well, but for a year), are we 85% righteous?</p>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RICO : 

Steve already posted the youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=FupY1qT99TY  .

You stated that you weren&#039;t able to find any links, but checking previous m=commenters is a good place to start ;) . It is mentioned also in http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-21/news/31083628_1_palestinian-militants-jihad-activist-hunger-strike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RICO : </p>
<p>Steve already posted the youtube link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=FupY1qT99TY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=FupY1qT99TY</a>  .</p>
<p>You stated that you weren&#8217;t able to find any links, but checking previous m=commenters is a good place to start <img src='http://972mag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  . It is mentioned also in <a href="http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-21/news/31083628_1_palestinian-militants-jihad-activist-hunger-strike" rel="nofollow">http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-21/news/31083628_1_palestinian-militants-jihad-activist-hunger-strike</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jazzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rico: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=FupY1qT99TY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rico: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=FupY1qT99TY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&#038;v=FupY1qT99TY</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone point me to evidence of khader adnan&#039;s supposed terrorist political views?

i&#039;m not trying to say he isn&#039;t despicable, but i have not been able to find any articles or reports of any kind that aren&#039;t focused on his damn hunger strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anyone point me to evidence of khader adnan&#8217;s supposed terrorist political views?</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not trying to say he isn&#8217;t despicable, but i have not been able to find any articles or reports of any kind that aren&#8217;t focused on his damn hunger strike.</p>
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		<title>By: Piotr Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not very peculiar to Israel, but I am not sure if this concept is equally controversial in other countries apart from USA and Israel.

Namely, that human rights are not &quot;universal rights of nice people&quot;.  In typical USA context someone would raise an issue about some appalling characteristics of the prison system and the &quot;majority&quot; reaction is &quot;didn&#039;t those people commit crimes&quot;?  And then it boils down to -- is it OK if bad people are raped?  How bad a person should be at the point when we do not give a damn if he/she is raped?

Liberals are being accused of being &quot;moral relativists&quot; because to them thing like sexual intercourse without marriage are bad if non-consensual and &quot;who cares&quot; if consensual.  Conservatives view torture as abhorrent if applied to &quot;nice people&quot; and &quot;who cares&quot; if applied to &quot;bad people&quot;.  [The labels conservative/liberal may be a bit arbitrary here, but this is roughly the way it works in USA.]

So now the dialogue is roughly like that: &quot;Folks, this is really bad stuff.&quot;  &quot;So you claim that it was done to nice people?  See that video!&quot;  &quot;The state should not imprison someone twice on the basis of one video and should never torture and detain without charges.&quot;  &quot;Didn&#039;t you read totally terrifying translation of that video?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not very peculiar to Israel, but I am not sure if this concept is equally controversial in other countries apart from USA and Israel.</p>
<p>Namely, that human rights are not &#8220;universal rights of nice people&#8221;.  In typical USA context someone would raise an issue about some appalling characteristics of the prison system and the &#8220;majority&#8221; reaction is &#8220;didn&#8217;t those people commit crimes&#8221;?  And then it boils down to &#8212; is it OK if bad people are raped?  How bad a person should be at the point when we do not give a damn if he/she is raped?</p>
<p>Liberals are being accused of being &#8220;moral relativists&#8221; because to them thing like sexual intercourse without marriage are bad if non-consensual and &#8220;who cares&#8221; if consensual.  Conservatives view torture as abhorrent if applied to &#8220;nice people&#8221; and &#8220;who cares&#8221; if applied to &#8220;bad people&#8221;.  [The labels conservative/liberal may be a bit arbitrary here, but this is roughly the way it works in USA.]</p>
<p>So now the dialogue is roughly like that: &#8220;Folks, this is really bad stuff.&#8221;  &#8220;So you claim that it was done to nice people?  See that video!&#8221;  &#8220;The state should not imprison someone twice on the basis of one video and should never torture and detain without charges.&#8221;  &#8220;Didn&#8217;t you read totally terrifying translation of that video?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMG said: &quot;an Arab man with a beard = Islamic terrorist.&quot;
...
My response: No, but an Arab man with a beard who also happens to be an Islamic Jihad spokesman who is also screaming support for suicide bombings = Islamic terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMG said: &#8220;an Arab man with a beard = Islamic terrorist.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;<br />
My response: No, but an Arab man with a beard who also happens to be an Islamic Jihad spokesman who is also screaming support for suicide bombings = Islamic terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: cmg</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of you speak Arabic and can attest to the accuracy of the subtitles??? None of you. The Israeli Ministry of Propaganda is well aware of how dumb and gullible most Americans are. In the reduced, cognitively-declined world of the typical American who has (a) never stepped outside the U.S. (or Israel) and (b) is clueless about other languages &amp; cultures, an Arab man with a beard = Islamic terrorist. While Adnan is hardly a pacifist, he IS NOT RECRUITING SUICIDE BOMBERS IN THIS CLIP. And if he is guilty of acts of terrorism and/or leading an Islamic Jihad, as Israel claim, why won&#039;t they present the evidence? What we do know for certain is that there are more than 300 Palestinians (more than 100 minors) in administrative detention in Israeli jails who have been charged with nothing and can be held indefinitely. Here are the stats from the Israeli HR organization B&#039;Tselem: http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of you speak Arabic and can attest to the accuracy of the subtitles??? None of you. The Israeli Ministry of Propaganda is well aware of how dumb and gullible most Americans are. In the reduced, cognitively-declined world of the typical American who has (a) never stepped outside the U.S. (or Israel) and (b) is clueless about other languages &amp; cultures, an Arab man with a beard = Islamic terrorist. While Adnan is hardly a pacifist, he IS NOT RECRUITING SUICIDE BOMBERS IN THIS CLIP. And if he is guilty of acts of terrorism and/or leading an Islamic Jihad, as Israel claim, why won&#8217;t they present the evidence? What we do know for certain is that there are more than 300 Palestinians (more than 100 minors) in administrative detention in Israeli jails who have been charged with nothing and can be held indefinitely. Here are the stats from the Israeli HR organization B&#8217;Tselem: <a href="http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics" rel="nofollow">http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention/statistics</a></p>
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