Comments on: Asylum seekers can now face years in prison over false accusation http://972mag.com/asylum-seekers-can-now-face-years-in-prison-over-false-accusation/54563/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:48:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/asylum-seekers-can-now-face-years-in-prison-over-false-accusation/54563/comment-page-1/#comment-73490 Greg Pollock Mon, 27 Aug 2012 05:24:04 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=54563#comment-73490 These asylum seekers have little to do with security; rather, "security" is being generalized to other social policy via the connecting label "infiltrator." A constitution might prevent this. The courts still might prevent it, but I have little hope without, at the very least, clear foundational statements of law. A constitution may be ignored in part, but the words, waiting, may rise again. An unwritten constitution can work, but requires a well insulated judiciary with a long tradition of jurisprudence; Israel has neither. These asylum seekers have little to do with security; rather, “security” is being generalized to other social policy via the connecting label “infiltrator.” A constitution might prevent this. The courts still might prevent it, but I have little hope without, at the very least, clear foundational statements of law. A constitution may be ignored in part, but the words, waiting, may rise again. An unwritten constitution can work, but requires a well insulated judiciary with a long tradition of jurisprudence; Israel has neither.

]]> By: Rorr http://972mag.com/asylum-seekers-can-now-face-years-in-prison-over-false-accusation/54563/comment-page-1/#comment-73466 Rorr Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:09:07 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=54563#comment-73466 Just give them access to the writing staff at 972 to expound on their views of the "zionist entity". They will flee back across the Sinai at warp speed. Just give them access to the writing staff at 972 to expound on their views of the “zionist entity”. They will flee back across the Sinai at warp speed.

]]> By: Piotr Berman http://972mag.com/asylum-seekers-can-now-face-years-in-prison-over-false-accusation/54563/comment-page-1/#comment-73465 Piotr Berman Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:04:07 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=54563#comment-73465 Hm: The term “criminal background” is purposefully vague and broad, and is not a legal definition found in any law or regulation, Asaf Weitzen, attorney at the Hotline for Migrant Workers, tells me. In most countries that have judicial review system, vagueness of a law can invalidate it. But Israeli courts do not have a Constitution to follow, and they "weight different considerations" including "state security". It seems that the government does not want to resolve refugee issue one way or another but prefers to have a steady material for inflamatory statements and "bold" mini-actions. Israel could build detention centers satisfying modicum of humanitarian concerns, something like trailer parks with some social amenities, and put almost all refugees there. Much easier than putting them in prisons, although not satisfying the desire to "make their lives miserable". Israel could give refugees work permits and/or some social services to reduce the friction between the refugees and the residents. Or some other coherent policy. Hm: The term “criminal background” is purposefully vague and broad, and is not a legal definition found in any law or regulation, Asaf Weitzen, attorney at the Hotline for Migrant Workers, tells me.

In most countries that have judicial review system, vagueness of a law can invalidate it. But Israeli courts do not have a Constitution to follow, and they “weight different considerations” including “state security”.

It seems that the government does not want to resolve refugee issue one way or another but prefers to have a steady material for inflamatory statements and “bold” mini-actions.

Israel could build detention centers satisfying modicum of humanitarian concerns, something like trailer parks with some social amenities, and put almost all refugees there. Much easier than putting them in prisons, although not satisfying the desire to “make their lives miserable”.

Israel could give refugees work permits and/or some social services to reduce the friction between the refugees and the residents.

Or some other coherent policy.

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/asylum-seekers-can-now-face-years-in-prison-over-false-accusation/54563/comment-page-1/#comment-73451 Greg Pollock Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:30:11 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=54563#comment-73451 “until I can deport them I’ll lock them up to make their lives miserable.” Such a statement in a land with a uniform human rights creed would force resignation. A home for the Jewish people has morphed into a reified racial combat consequent of the unending Palestinian conflict. A logic of race combat within Israel exists; so I hold the view that this combat must be addressed within Israel regardless of the occupation--indeed, progress, if possible, in the homeland may help new alternatives appear in the occupation. “until I can deport them I’ll lock them up to make their lives miserable.” Such a statement in a land with a uniform human rights creed would force resignation. A home for the Jewish people has morphed into a reified racial combat consequent of the unending Palestinian conflict. A logic of race combat within Israel exists; so I hold the view that this combat must be addressed within Israel regardless of the occupation–indeed, progress, if possible, in the homeland may help new alternatives appear in the occupation.

]]> By: Joel http://972mag.com/asylum-seekers-can-now-face-years-in-prison-over-false-accusation/54563/comment-page-1/#comment-73425 Joel Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:10:51 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=54563#comment-73425 So Israel wants to expel asylum seekers, and at the same time, wants to detain them in Israel for years. So Israel wants to expel asylum seekers, and at the same time, wants to detain them in Israel for years.

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