25 comments for ”American Jews shocked as essence of Zionism is exposed“

    
  1. Great article! I really appreciate the analysis.

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  3. I wish a lot more American Jews could be exposed to the contempt in which they are held by Israelis – many of whom do not even consider them real Jews. Maybe then they’d take down the blue flag from the bimah and concentrate instead on the Torah.

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  5. If Israelis had a slightly different perspective, they’d be the ones insulted by these ads. After all, Jewish culture has survived for 2000 years without a country and will continue to survive (despite propagandists saying otherwise) for another millennium in the diaspora. Why is it that Zionists assume that Israeli culture is so WEAK that it can’t survive a generation outside of what Mr. Gurvitz calls it’s “ghetto?” If Israelis were a little more culturally sophisticated they’d be the ones who are insulted, since these ads say that their culture is fundamentally weaker than the Yiddish and Ladino cultures it was created to replace, which survived for 1000 and 500 years respectively in Europe.

    Although I’m in my early 20s I grew up with modern Yiddish culture in the Bundist tradition. The approach was very different than Israeli culture. Instead of ghettoizing Judaism in an ancestral homeland it sought to maintain a separate culture among the nations of the (Eastern European) diaspora while fighting for the rights of its neighboring people (unlike the Israeli model of supporting their erosion). Obviously 20th century history didn’t cooperate but that had less to do with Yiddish Eastern Europe and any supposed weakness and more to do with a world gone mad at war. In any case, there’s a lot Israelis could learn from my culture. There’s a new film on the Bund in Hebrew, I’d suggest that the writers of +972 should see it and visit the Bund offices in Tel Aviv and speak to Itzhak Luden who always appreciates guests.

    Yiddish and its cultured survived for 1000 years on the move and continues to survive among Hasidim and a small group of “modern” people like myself. I feel sorry for my Israeli cousins if as these ads suggest their culture is truly that much weaker.

    Reading Israeli literature and Yiddish literature it’s clear that the origins of the former were in the latter, despite efforts by the Hebrew writers to distance themselves from the Hebrew tradition (it’s not without reason that the best early Hebrew prose writer Agnon was not anti-Yiddish and embraced critics who saw him as being part of the Yiddish tradition). And although you won’t believe me, Israeli literature has yet to reach the levels of interwar Yiddish literature. Israeli literature has more modern events and is written in a language far more people can read (and as such is much more widely translated) but as works of art they haven’t hit the level of modern diaspora Jewish culture. And how could it with boars A.B. Yohoshoa who take pride in being divorced from Jewish roots, as their representatives? (If you want a great modern Israeli writer whose sensibilities are very Jewish, read Keret whom I discovered, ironically enough, in Yiddish translation).

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  7. Well, the only add I got to see (before others were taken down) was the one where the child keeps calling his Abba “daddy” three times. His Abba only responds when he FINALLY says, “Abba”. Then the add just says, the parents will always be Israelis (not Jewish), while their kids will not. If Netanyahu’s government really suggested that Israeli Jews avoid marrying American Jews, then I condemn that. Other than that, however, I see nothing wrong (or offensive for that matter) with trying to encourage Israelis to come home to their native country. And let us remember, A.B. Yehoshua would hardly be a Netanyahu/Lieberman supporter. His views are more like those of this site….

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  9. Lest there be a misunderstanding in my previous post, I meant that the parents will always be ISRAELIS and that their kids will not remain ISRAELI (Judaism is not mentioned in the add). I just noticed the way I wrote it can be kind of confusing.

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  11. Mitchell

    Does this mean Judaism and Israeli nationalism(Zionism) are clearly different? Be careful, I hear there may be a law citing this as treason.

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  13. @Yidishkind – “If Israelis had a slightly different perspective, they’d be the ones insulted by these ads.”
    I wasn’t only insulted, I was humiliated. Jewish culture has withstood the test of time throughout adverse circumstances and Israeli culture, thanks in part to the defenses it maintains against its surroundings, still feeds off it more than vice-versa.

    @Yossi Gurvitz “…people who have left the soft Diaspora behind and joined Israelis in their increasingly bitter quest for revenge on history.”
    Devastatingly well-put.

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  15. “…Many American Jews would be surprised how many Israelis hold them in contempt – unless, as Goldberg did, they do the Zionist thing, move over to Israel and pass our ritual of passage, service in the IDF. Those who do that are considered heroes”
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    Puerile fucking nonsense. And Jeffrey was a prison guard for christ sake. Whatever else he is, Rambo he’s not. I actually did serve in a combat unit for 2 and a half years, in both Lebanon and the territories. Hero? No thats Baruch Marzel’s shtik. I was just doing a job and felt lucky if some one gave me a seat on a bus. Its about time American Jews understood the true nature of this relationship. The entire episode puts me in mind of a Churchillian anecdote;
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    While serving as a subaltern in the Boer War, the young Churchill was asked by a superior officer to give his opinion of the Boers as soldiers.
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    “They’re assholes, sir,” he ventured, then paused briefly and added, with a whimsical smile, “They’re assholes.”
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    :-D

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  17. It’s a shame the took down the ads because the commentary by Israeli YouTube users was fantastic for the most part (except for the fascist haters obviously). The top rated comment on the “Abba” video said,
    “Is this supposed to encourage aliya or encourage yerida (emigration)? I see a nice house, with a garden and a car in a comfortable neighborhood with a little boy that says “daddy” and not a little ars that screams “Aaaabaaaaaaaaa!”
    :)

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  19. Mitchell – I don’t see how the ad with the couple, presumably married, says anything else. If you marry an American Jew, you might as well be marrying a goy. He’ll never understand what’s important to your Israeli soul.

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  21. “… A.B. Yehoshua would hardly be a Netanyahu/Lieberman supporter. His views are more like those of this site…”
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    Oh dear. The bullshit meter is in the red again. I really must have that looked at.
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    While I’m sure that supposition gives you a hard-on Mitchell, it does nothing for me. :-P A.B. Yehoshua much like his contemporaries, has been sensing his mortality of late, and in an effort to ensure (read whitewash) his legacy, has dabbled in revisionism, has allowed his political leanings to become “circumspect”, his opinions “evenhanded” for domestic consumption, while being “provocative” vis-a-vis the diaspora. And while not sharing the politics of many of his generation, he emanates from the same mileau culturally and demographically. Furthermore, by means of a few intemperate remarks to some rich, pampered American Jews, Mr.Yehoshua has made sure that his patriotic bonafides will not be questioned by other Israelis (as you’re so eager to demonstrate), as by utttering them in what can only be described as a very public setting (The GA Assembly), he intimated that when push-comes-to-shove, he can take his israeli exceptionalism out for a stroll and goose-step with the best of them. :-D

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  23. Very good piece!

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  25. “Mitchell – I don’t see how the ad with the couple, presumably married, says anything else. If you marry an American Jew, you might as well be marrying a goy. He’ll never understand what’s important to your Israeli soul.” [End of Aristeides] Well, considering no small number of regulars on this site (including the one who wrote this column) separate “Jewishness” from “Israeliness”, I don’t see how THEY would be offended. On the contrary, these ads sympathize more with THEM, then they would with someone like ME. Yet, they are the ones having a field day with these ads, while I don’t see what the big fuss is all about. Go figure!!!!

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  27. “While I’m sure that supposition gives you a hard-on Mitchell, it does nothing for me.” [End of Shoded Yam] Nope, does nothing for me either Sparky….I am not the one having a “hard on” by all these ads….

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  29. @shoded – I’ve warned you a few times recently on your language.
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    One more strike, and you’re banned.

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  31. Mitchell – you did say that you’d condemn the ads if they were actually suggesting that Israeli Jews avoid marrying Americans. So I suppose you’d find that offensive.

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    I think the ad is stupid, myself. Why can’t the wife just tell the husband what the significance of the day is?

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  33. @Aristeides, I agree that the ad with the couple (Israeli wife/American husband) is not realistic. If the couple were close at all and had a minimum working marriage, the wife would have explained well in advance why she doesn’t want to go out that night and explain Yom HaZikaron to her husband, the significance of the day, etc. I didn’t get to see the one about Christmas (they must have taken it down over Shabbat), but I don’t find the “daddy, daddy, daddy, Abba” one offensive in the least, nor the one about dangers of assimilation. So you’ll have to sue me on the last two….:-)

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  37. @Shoded Yam, “Mitchy” how sweet. The last person who called me that was a girl I dated in high-school. She called me that out of affection. Aw, how sweet….:-) I have NO desire to alter any perception. I do NOT work for the absorption ministry or Netanyahu. Frankly, I don’t give a hoot. If you want to talk about “cleaning up” anything, I am not the one getting warnings about being banned for vulgar language, so it seems like you (not me) have what to worry about cleaning….

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  39. 1. The same game was played with Russian Jews — they were brutally deprived of their rights to moving from the former USSR to any country but Israel.

    2. What do you want from the Zionist state of Israel which has nothing to do with Judaism? As an example, look at all sorts of fast conversion into Judaism in Israel — that explains all.

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  41. BS”D The Jewish people are defined by Torah since Sinai, NOT by their residence in medinas yisroel. Incendiary Zionist nationalistic propaganda such as that noted by the article is a sad attempt to create an identity out of violence. Such an identity is not Jewish. It is something else.

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  43. Stephen W-
    What are you talking about when you say “Russian Jews their rights to move to any country but Israel”? I am not aware of any “right” anyone has in the world to move to any county he wants. The US did have free immigration up to 1924 but no longer. The Russian Jews were FORTUNATE that Israel was open to them which allowed them to leave a country that has a long history of violent antisemitism.

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  45. Ok, so to everyone reading this, NORWEGIANS included. I say this as an Israeli who left Israel! Zionism is used a curse word. By many groups around the world. lets not “name” them.
    Anyway, although the things mentioned here do reflect in the bobble called Israel, but at the same time things are taken completely out of context. Zionism is mainly about the security and and freedom of Jews. People forget the causes for it. Stop quoting politicians who are long dead and represent a different area. Being free meant something to them back then. Maybe if it was not for the crazy on going Palestinian-Muslim hatred towards Israel also Israelis could let go from the “need” to survive. All this being said, don’t let a creep like Netanyahu determine your opinions about Israelies or Zionists! Most Zionist that I know are lefties, living in peace and best friends with Arabs.. so stop twisting things to make headlines

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