Comments on: A special form for Arab passengers to warn airport of their arrival http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Wed, 22 May 2013 00:35:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Fernando http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-60479 Fernando Tue, 08 May 2012 18:10:22 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-60479 I went to Israel as a tourist. I made the mistake of having visited Tunis before Israel. That got me a four hour stay in their holding area and then a minor search. Then I had to endure the inhospitable culture of some Israelis. Not very friendly people. I went to the East Jerusalem area, the territories. Wow what a breath of fresh air. So nice, the people sweet. Then always lurking not too far away. A young IDF soldier rifle ready to fire. What a great country. I went to Israel as a tourist. I made the mistake of having visited Tunis before Israel. That got me a four hour stay in their holding area and then a minor search. Then I had to endure the inhospitable culture of some Israelis. Not very friendly people. I went to the East Jerusalem area, the territories. Wow what a breath of fresh air. So nice, the people sweet. Then always lurking not too far away. A young IDF soldier rifle ready to fire. What a great country.

]]> By: Right Wing Zionist http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15516 Right Wing Zionist Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:56:05 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15516 @PHILOS "My friend, RWZ , so by your standards Israel is driving at 220 Km/hour into a wall by not booting out all the settler soldiers given the number of terrorist attacks they’ve committed within Israel"(PHILOS) I wouldn't have the foggiest what this means. Earlier on, you accused me of ranting and raving. Are you sure you didn't mean yourself? " The fact is I’m not going to let one crazy jerk besmirch thousands of other US soldiers who happen to identify as Muslim"(PHILOS) Good for you, neither would I. But if you would have bothered to read the articles to which my link pointed, then you would be aware that in this SPECIFIC case, there were oodles of tell tale troubling signs that this individual would erupt and that he could be dangerous. And why didn't they act on it? Because those who could and should have acted on it were more concerned with political correctness. What is my point? My point is that political correctness has it's place. But when it over rides common sense, then it amounts to criminal negligence. @PHILOS
“My friend, RWZ , so by your standards Israel is driving at 220 Km/hour into a wall by not booting out all the settler soldiers given the number of terrorist attacks they’ve committed within Israel”(PHILOS)
I wouldn’t have the foggiest what this means. Earlier on, you accused me of ranting and raving. Are you sure you didn’t mean yourself?

” The fact is I’m not going to let one crazy jerk besmirch thousands of other US soldiers who happen to identify as Muslim”(PHILOS)
Good for you, neither would I. But if you would have bothered to read the articles to which my link pointed, then you would be aware that in this SPECIFIC case, there were oodles of tell tale troubling signs that this individual would erupt and that he could be dangerous. And why didn’t they act on it? Because those who could and should have acted on it were more concerned with political correctness.
What is my point? My point is that political correctness has it’s place. But when it over rides common sense, then it amounts to criminal negligence.

]]> By: Empress Trudy http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15502 Empress Trudy Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:10:08 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15502 One good anecdote deserves another. So look into UC Irvine (California), Concordia U (Canada), where outright physical violence is the norm. Look at your own LSE. Look at UNC Chapel Hill (North Carolina) - which has driven out all staff from their mideast dept who weren't openly pro Palestinian. Look at Columbia (NYC) which invited the President of Iran to speak and then barred knitted kippah Jews from showing up. Look at wherever Finklestein teaches, a borderline holocaust denier. Look at Yale which tried to close the JIINSA center because pointing out that antisemitism exists, is too much advocacy. Look at Rutgers which hosts ISM. Look at Brooklyn college which awarded a doctoral level teaching slot to a non-doctorate 'activist'. Or this: http://eyecrazy.blogspot.com/2011/06/anti-semitism-and-classroom-jew-count.html http://thejewishpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/ben-gurion-university-leftist-lecturer.html http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/251395/Threat-of-campus-extremists-must-never-be-ignored http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/251395/Threat-of-campus-extremists-must-never-be-ignored http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MnpRK2LMj8&feature=player_embedded http://greensengage.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/palestine-solidarity/#comment-1131 http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/4/18/speech-rights-free-campus/ http://hurryupharry.org/2011/04/14/how-to-bash-israel-in-your-child%E2%80%99s-school-%E2%80%93-a-york-university-graduate-seminar/ http://www.hudson-ny.org/2033/norman-finkelstein-supports-targeting-israeli-civilians http://www.solomonia.com/wp/2011/04/professors-call-bs-on-campus-anti-israel-groups/#more-3071 http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/1436/jewish-students-under-assault-part-u http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/03/oy-vey-university-of-california-at.html One good anecdote deserves another. So look into UC Irvine (California), Concordia U (Canada), where outright physical violence is the norm. Look at your own LSE. Look at UNC Chapel Hill (North Carolina) – which has driven out all staff from their mideast dept who weren’t openly pro Palestinian. Look at Columbia (NYC) which invited the President of Iran to speak and then barred knitted kippah Jews from showing up. Look at wherever Finklestein teaches, a borderline holocaust denier. Look at Yale which tried to close the JIINSA center because pointing out that antisemitism exists, is too much advocacy. Look at Rutgers which hosts ISM. Look at Brooklyn college which awarded a doctoral level teaching slot to a non-doctorate ‘activist’.

Or this:
http://eyecrazy.blogspot.com/2011/06/anti-semitism-and-classroom-jew-count.html

http://thejewishpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/ben-gurion-university-leftist-lecturer.html

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/251395/Threat-of-campus-extremists-must-never-be-ignored

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/251395/Threat-of-campus-extremists-must-never-be-ignored

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MnpRK2LMj8&feature=player_embedded

http://greensengage.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/palestine-solidarity/#comment-1131

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/4/18/speech-rights-free-campus/

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/04/14/how-to-bash-israel-in-your-child%E2%80%99s-school-%E2%80%93-a-york-university-graduate-seminar/

http://www.hudson-ny.org/2033/norman-finkelstein-supports-targeting-israeli-civilians

http://www.solomonia.com/wp/2011/04/professors-call-bs-on-campus-anti-israel-groups/#more-3071

http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/1436/jewish-students-under-assault-part-u

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/03/oy-vey-university-of-california-at.html

]]> By: Philos http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15484 Philos Mon, 11 Jul 2011 21:03:09 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15484 Empress Trudy, I can assure you that I've been on a university campus within the last 15-months. Within the last 15-years I've gone from high school, boot camp, road blocks, foreign university and then graduate study in Israel. Please provide the evidence for all your claims because as far as I'm concerned its twaddle. My brother wrote a thesis on Iraqi Jewry at the Islamic center at Exeter University and, given the fact he's now a soldier, I don't think he underwent any significant brainwashing. Indeed, the anti-Israel professors are usually preaching to the converted is what he told me. My friend, RWZ :), so by your standards Israel is driving at 220 Km/hour into a wall by not booting out all the settler soldiers given the number of terrorist attacks they've committed within Israel (three; two of them in uniform)? The fact is I'm not going to let one crazy jerk besmirch thousands of other US soldiers who happen to identify as Muslim. Empress Trudy, I can assure you that I’ve been on a university campus within the last 15-months. Within the last 15-years I’ve gone from high school, boot camp, road blocks, foreign university and then graduate study in Israel. Please provide the evidence for all your claims because as far as I’m concerned its twaddle. My brother wrote a thesis on Iraqi Jewry at the Islamic center at Exeter University and, given the fact he’s now a soldier, I don’t think he underwent any significant brainwashing. Indeed, the anti-Israel professors are usually preaching to the converted is what he told me.

My friend, RWZ :) , so by your standards Israel is driving at 220 Km/hour into a wall by not booting out all the settler soldiers given the number of terrorist attacks they’ve committed within Israel (three; two of them in uniform)? The fact is I’m not going to let one crazy jerk besmirch thousands of other US soldiers who happen to identify as Muslim.

]]> By: Empress Trudy http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15444 Empress Trudy Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:17:12 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15444 Philos This was actually the charge leveled against Yale's JIINSA center. But what the antisemites intentionally miss is there's a difference between funding a chair for its own sake and creating nothing but pure advocacy. Clearly you've spent almost zero time in any college campus over the last 15 years if you think Arab funding of mideast studies is innocuous. Any study of Israel AT ALL has been driven out. You're even lucky of you can get a Hebrew language program mounted. Every faculty door has a 'Palestinian' flag hanging on it, and Allah save you if you go to class wearing a kippah. You will probably, and this is not exaggeration, be physically assaulted. Which, in the post modernist world of 'everything is everything' isn't inherently an evil thing, but it's pure advocacy bordering on hate speech. Which, while it may make you happy to experience, isn't precisely the same thing as education. And for what it's worth, you DO realize that most of this funding comes ultimately from two sources: The al Aziz ibn Saud royal family which is the absolute fundamentalist monarchy which rules Saudi Arabia and the people in it as their personal property. and The Iranian government which, in their own words is a apocalyptic mystical genocidal cult which has executed hundreds of people this year alone for the crime of generally being gay, feminist, not Muslim or generally quarrelsome. Just so we're clear who teaching you to have a liberal outlook on the mideast.... Philos

This was actually the charge leveled against Yale’s JIINSA center. But what the antisemites intentionally miss is there’s a difference between funding a chair for its own sake and creating nothing but pure advocacy.

Clearly you’ve spent almost zero time in any college campus over the last 15 years if you think Arab funding of mideast studies is innocuous. Any study of Israel AT ALL has been driven out. You’re even lucky of you can get a Hebrew language program mounted. Every faculty door has a ‘Palestinian’ flag hanging on it, and Allah save you if you go to class wearing a kippah. You will probably, and this is not exaggeration, be physically assaulted.

Which, in the post modernist world of ‘everything is everything’ isn’t inherently an evil thing, but it’s pure advocacy bordering on hate speech. Which, while it may make you happy to experience, isn’t precisely the same thing as education.

And for what it’s worth, you DO realize that most of this funding comes ultimately from two sources:

The al Aziz ibn Saud royal family which is the absolute fundamentalist monarchy which rules Saudi Arabia and the people in it as their personal property.

and

The Iranian government which, in their own words is a apocalyptic mystical genocidal cult which has executed hundreds of people this year alone for the crime of generally being gay, feminist, not Muslim or generally quarrelsome.

Just so we’re clear who teaching you to have a liberal outlook on the mideast….

]]> By: iva http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15406 iva Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:56:30 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15406 <em>This comment has been deleted due to containing a personal attack </em> Iva and Patrizio Rome Italy This comment has been deleted due to containing a personal attack

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]]> By: Right Wing Zionist http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15375 Right Wing Zionist Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:07:02 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15375 @PHILOS "Finally, what happened after 9/11 or 7/7? Did the USA and Britain start rounding up all the foreign born Muslims and detaining them in camps?"(PHILOS) Ummmmmmmm PHILOS, haven't you been reading my posts? I did not advocate rounding up Israeli Arabs and putting them into camps. So I don't understand your point. Unless of course you are telling us that the Americans and the Brits are in imminent danger of falling to the Islamists? If you are saying that, we disagree. Yes, their civilians are in danger but they are NOT fighting a war of survival. Having said that, have you heard about Gitmo? And rest assured they too are profiling their airline passangers, using their own methods. How do you think they foiled a number of terrorist plots? On the other hand, when they let the political correctness go too far they paid the price. If you don't believe me then read up on the Texas Fort Hood Massacre. US army soldiers died needlessly because some touchy feely types like yourself refused to read all the signs of a pending disaster about to blow up in their face. Here, read about it: http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Fort-Hood-Massacre-Complete-Coverage.html @PHILOS
“Finally, what happened after 9/11 or 7/7? Did the USA and Britain start rounding up all the foreign born Muslims and detaining them in camps?”(PHILOS)
Ummmmmmmm PHILOS, haven’t you been reading my posts? I did not advocate rounding up Israeli Arabs and putting them into camps. So I don’t understand your point. Unless of course you are telling us that the Americans and the Brits are in imminent danger of falling to the Islamists? If you are saying that, we disagree. Yes, their civilians are in danger but they are NOT fighting a war of survival.
Having said that, have you heard about Gitmo? And rest assured they too are profiling their airline passangers, using their own methods. How do you think they foiled a number of terrorist plots?
On the other hand, when they let the political correctness go too far they paid the price. If you don’t believe me then read up on the Texas Fort Hood Massacre. US army soldiers died needlessly because some touchy feely types like yourself refused to read all the signs of a pending disaster about to blow up in their face. Here, read about it:
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Fort-Hood-Massacre-Complete-Coverage.html

]]> By: Philos http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15370 Philos Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:17:12 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15370 Let's do a thought experiment. Google "Jewish funding of US universities" or "Jewish funding of European political parties". What you will find is that the same ideas that the Arabs are controlling the West with their money is inverse Jew-hatred. It's still anti-Semitic obviously because Arabs are Semites. Also if one looks qualitatively at the first 25 sites dealing with "Arab funding of western universities" you get such impartial luminaries like Jihadwatch or campuswatch both notorious affiliates of very right wing ideologues. Furthermore, with the Telegraph article you provided (thanks for that) Pollard opens himself up for a big weakness in his theory; you're not going to get exposed to this "hostile teaching" unless you're in the Islamic department of those universities. And is it really surprising that this kind of thing happens? What has happened at departments funded by banks? A total conversion of the economics curriculum into pure neo-liberalism; the students don't even learn who Marx is! And I'll raise the issue with the recently shut-down Antisemitism studies program at Yale. That there is a systemic flaw and moral corruption with university funding I entirely agree; to contend that Arab funds are perverting it more than other private funds is pure conspiracy theory. Been reading the Protocols of the Elders of Jihad or something? Finally, what happened after 9/11 or 7/7? Did the USA and Britain start rounding up all the foreign born Muslims and detaining them in camps? And if Israel is constantly in a war of survival then I presume you think the state hasn't gone far enough in "securing" the Israeli-Arab population? Let’s do a thought experiment. Google “Jewish funding of US universities” or “Jewish funding of European political parties”. What you will find is that the same ideas that the Arabs are controlling the West with their money is inverse Jew-hatred. It’s still anti-Semitic obviously because Arabs are Semites. Also if one looks qualitatively at the first 25 sites dealing with “Arab funding of western universities” you get such impartial luminaries like Jihadwatch or campuswatch both notorious affiliates of very right wing ideologues. Furthermore, with the Telegraph article you provided (thanks for that) Pollard opens himself up for a big weakness in his theory; you’re not going to get exposed to this “hostile teaching” unless you’re in the Islamic department of those universities. And is it really surprising that this kind of thing happens? What has happened at departments funded by banks? A total conversion of the economics curriculum into pure neo-liberalism; the students don’t even learn who Marx is! And I’ll raise the issue with the recently shut-down Antisemitism studies program at Yale. That there is a systemic flaw and moral corruption with university funding I entirely agree; to contend that Arab funds are perverting it more than other private funds is pure conspiracy theory. Been reading the Protocols of the Elders of Jihad or something?

Finally, what happened after 9/11 or 7/7? Did the USA and Britain start rounding up all the foreign born Muslims and detaining them in camps? And if Israel is constantly in a war of survival then I presume you think the state hasn’t gone far enough in “securing” the Israeli-Arab population?

]]> By: zing wang http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15365 zing wang Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:27:41 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15365 Simply put: this form is illegal and unconstitutional, and will fail the moment anyone challanges it in court. Simply put: this form is illegal and unconstitutional, and will fail the moment anyone challanges it in court.

]]> By: max http://972mag.com/airport3/18301/comment-page-1/#comment-15338 max Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:54:53 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=18301#comment-15338 RWZ: thanks. RWZ: thanks.

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