Comments on: After week in desert, 3 Eritreans taken to prison; MK prevented from meeting them http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Fri, 24 May 2013 17:27:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Kassandra http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-75447 Kassandra Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:47:38 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-75447 Something to mention : this boarder between egypt and israel is well known anyway for many years and the path for many CHRISTIAN african refugees on their way to the "promised land". Were these Eritrean people Christian ? Nobody talked a word about it. It was also the way Abraham took ( vice-versa), when he needed asylum because he couldnt feed people and animals in Knaan! Egypt didnt let refugee Abraham starve on the boarder in these days..... Something to mention : this boarder between egypt and israel is well known anyway for many years and the path for many CHRISTIAN african refugees on their way to the “promised land”. Were these Eritrean people Christian ? Nobody talked a word about it.
It was also the way Abraham took ( vice-versa), when he needed asylum because he couldnt feed people and animals in Knaan! Egypt didnt let refugee Abraham starve on the boarder in these days…..

]]> By: Jack http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-75195 Jack Sun, 09 Sep 2012 10:04:49 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-75195 ...still they wont get in, which prove the real absurdity. …still they wont get in, which prove the real absurdity.

]]> By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-75105 Kolumn9 Sat, 08 Sep 2012 20:01:21 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-75105 Aaron, look, I don't know. State bureaucracies have a very hard time not taking precedents seriously. Once you start letting people in, it becomes the normal thing to do and then *something* has to happen to actually change the policy to one that prevents entry. Once you start letting people in word goes out back home or to refugee camps in Sudan that all you have to do is show up at the border fence to get in and people start trekking. The border fence becomes meaningless and you are in the same place as before. If you choose to block entry at that point you have hundreds or thousands stranded on the border and you face even more pressure and condemnation. It really is better in my mind to put a stop to it as early as possible and unfortunately that requires some very heavy handed action. Aaron, look, I don’t know. State bureaucracies have a very hard time not taking precedents seriously. Once you start letting people in, it becomes the normal thing to do and then *something* has to happen to actually change the policy to one that prevents entry. Once you start letting people in word goes out back home or to refugee camps in Sudan that all you have to do is show up at the border fence to get in and people start trekking. The border fence becomes meaningless and you are in the same place as before. If you choose to block entry at that point you have hundreds or thousands stranded on the border and you face even more pressure and condemnation. It really is better in my mind to put a stop to it as early as possible and unfortunately that requires some very heavy handed action.

]]> By: Aaron the Fascist Troll http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-75040 Aaron the Fascist Troll Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:35:44 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-75040 What treaty forbids Israel from returning asylum seekers to Egypt? Could you point to the relevant paragraph? What treaty forbids Israel from returning asylum seekers to Egypt? Could you point to the relevant paragraph?

]]> By: Aaron the Fascist Troll http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-75039 Aaron the Fascist Troll Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:31:46 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-75039 Because there are fewer foreigners trying to get in? Because there are fewer foreigners trying to get in?

]]> By: Aaron the Fascist Troll http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-75038 Aaron the Fascist Troll Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:30:53 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-75038 What I meant is, if it leads to more people trying to get in, then you can just stop letting them in. There's no legal precedent or bureaucratic inertia to stop you. You just don't let them in next time, or the time after that, or whenever you decide to stop granting exceptions to policy. People would denounce it, but they're denouncing it already. What I meant is, if it leads to more people trying to get in, then you can just stop letting them in. There’s no legal precedent or bureaucratic inertia to stop you. You just don’t let them in next time, or the time after that, or whenever you decide to stop granting exceptions to policy. People would denounce it, but they’re denouncing it already.

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-74993 Greg Pollock Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:11:31 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-74993 As usual, the State refuses any possible oversight by disallowing an independent branch, here a member of the Knesset, the opportunity for his own evaluation. There can be no assured rule of law without such oversight. By returning the men to Egypt, the State has violated treaty and is attempting to hide this by admitting three on humanitarian grounds. Since the High Court refused immediate action, there are no longer petitioners, so no longer a case. Reminds of of Southern American thinking in times of Jim Crow. As usual, the State refuses any possible oversight by disallowing an independent branch, here a member of the Knesset, the opportunity for his own evaluation. There can be no assured rule of law without such oversight.

By returning the men to Egypt, the State has violated treaty and is attempting to hide this by admitting three on humanitarian grounds. Since the High Court refused immediate action, there are no longer petitioners, so no longer a case.

Reminds of of Southern American thinking in times of Jim Crow.

]]> By: Sinjim http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-74981 Sinjim Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:00:05 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-74981 This is institutionalized misanthropy, a hatred of humanity. And it is especially endemic to all ethnic states. To all of you who are so shocked that Israel would behave this way, Palestinians are laughing at your naivete. If Israel prevents even indigenous people from returning to their homeland, why on Earth would it allow Foreigners to do so? This is institutionalized misanthropy, a hatred of humanity. And it is especially endemic to all ethnic states.

To all of you who are so shocked that Israel would behave this way, Palestinians are laughing at your naivete. If Israel prevents even indigenous people from returning to their homeland, why on Earth would it allow Foreigners to do so?

]]> By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-74980 Kolumn9 Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:48:43 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-74980 Sorry Aaron, I am going to have to disagree. Letting people in sets a precedent and word does get around that the border is open. You would have imitators of this group within a week. It isn't a legal or political issue. To a large extent this is a psychological game to announce to potential migrants on their way and back in their home countries that they will not be welcomed. Sorry Aaron, I am going to have to disagree. Letting people in sets a precedent and word does get around that the border is open. You would have imitators of this group within a week. It isn’t a legal or political issue. To a large extent this is a psychological game to announce to potential migrants on their way and back in their home countries that they will not be welcomed.

]]> By: Aaron the Fascist Troll http://972mag.com/after-week-in-desert-3-eritreans-taken-to-prison-mk-prevented-from-meeting-them/55402/comment-page-1/#comment-74976 Aaron the Fascist Troll Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:32:46 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=55402#comment-74976 I'm kind of late to this whole story, but here's my take. Truism: in (im)migration, numbers are everything. This is not a significant number of people. It could have been treated as a special case, much more humanely than it was. There's no slippery slope; it wouldn't have set a legal or political precedent. These people should have been let into Israel immediately and treated humanely. I’m kind of late to this whole story, but here’s my take. Truism: in (im)migration, numbers are everything. This is not a significant number of people. It could have been treated as a special case, much more humanely than it was. There’s no slippery slope; it wouldn’t have set a legal or political precedent. These people should have been let into Israel immediately and treated humanely.

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