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		<title>By: Kyle O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rabbi Rosen, I am a fairly frequent commenter on +972 blog postings, but reading this one makes me smile bigger than any other I&#039;ve seen yet.  I am local (Des Plaines) and would love the opportunity to shake your hand and discuss your trip.  I am not Jewish nor Muslim, but am nonetheless very interested to hear more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbi Rosen, I am a fairly frequent commenter on +972 blog postings, but reading this one makes me smile bigger than any other I&#8217;ve seen yet.  I am local (Des Plaines) and would love the opportunity to shake your hand and discuss your trip.  I am not Jewish nor Muslim, but am nonetheless very interested to hear more.</p>
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		<title>By: Vickie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vickie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart--That is the most pathetic use of propaganda I have ever heard.

Really?  That&#039;s what you&#039;ve got?  I am sorry for the loss of any life, but do you really presume to preach about loss of life between Palestinians and Israelis?  For every one life story you can tell, there are at least 40 Palestinians whose story will never be heard.  That&#039;s a 40:1 ratio. And you want to talk about loss of life.  Have you seen a &quot;blue baby&quot;?  Go see one in Gaza, and then tell me about loss of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart&#8211;That is the most pathetic use of propaganda I have ever heard.</p>
<p>Really?  That&#8217;s what you&#8217;ve got?  I am sorry for the loss of any life, but do you really presume to preach about loss of life between Palestinians and Israelis?  For every one life story you can tell, there are at least 40 Palestinians whose story will never be heard.  That&#8217;s a 40:1 ratio. And you want to talk about loss of life.  Have you seen a &#8220;blue baby&#8221;?  Go see one in Gaza, and then tell me about loss of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Vickie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vickie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Aziz:

Kudos on the valiant effort to try to humanize Palestinians for Israelis.
However, based on the comments on this board, it is obvious to see that many Israelis indeed see us as an inferior race, if not an inferior life form.  I read the articles at 972+ Magazine because the purpose at this magazine, the outlook of its columnists, make me believe that one day, we can be as one.  We can fight about politics and representation and other things...but that we, Palestinians and Israelis can live together in relative peace and security.  Perhaps I a mistaken, but I see that mission in all the writers at 972+.  
And then I read with sadness the responses.  It is nothing more than hatred spewed in pretty morphemes.  
And I am sure, they will read this and then say something about this Palestinian guy who was hateful, or that Nazi sympathizer that wrote horrible things.  Here&#039;s what I have to say to those who would rationalize their racist speech.
What have you done to make things better?  
When have you stepped outside of your comfort zone?
You guys struggle so hard to prove your point, you miss it.  This isn&#039;t about an arbitrary line in the sand created by this colonizing force, or the one before, or the one before that.  
This is about the future of our children, the future of their children...and whether they will look at us with respect, or spit in our faces for leaving them with such a crappy legacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Aziz:</p>
<p>Kudos on the valiant effort to try to humanize Palestinians for Israelis.<br />
However, based on the comments on this board, it is obvious to see that many Israelis indeed see us as an inferior race, if not an inferior life form.  I read the articles at 972+ Magazine because the purpose at this magazine, the outlook of its columnists, make me believe that one day, we can be as one.  We can fight about politics and representation and other things&#8230;but that we, Palestinians and Israelis can live together in relative peace and security.  Perhaps I a mistaken, but I see that mission in all the writers at 972+.<br />
And then I read with sadness the responses.  It is nothing more than hatred spewed in pretty morphemes.<br />
And I am sure, they will read this and then say something about this Palestinian guy who was hateful, or that Nazi sympathizer that wrote horrible things.  Here&#8217;s what I have to say to those who would rationalize their racist speech.<br />
What have you done to make things better?<br />
When have you stepped outside of your comfort zone?<br />
You guys struggle so hard to prove your point, you miss it.  This isn&#8217;t about an arbitrary line in the sand created by this colonizing force, or the one before, or the one before that.<br />
This is about the future of our children, the future of their children&#8230;and whether they will look at us with respect, or spit in our faces for leaving them with such a crappy legacy.</p>
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		<title>By: 5ftflirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>5ftflirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this is the level of political naivete and ignorance we are dealing with?

&quot;it is precisely because of dialogue groups and contact between people on both sides of the border why there is no conflict between France and Germany today.&quot;

No it is not. &quot;Dialogue groups&quot; have had nothing to do with relations between France and Germany today, nor at any other time. None. Sorry, it didn&#039;t happen.
 
&quot;It makes little sense to speak hypothetically but if Germans and French had known each other better than they did at the beginning of the 19th century, German men might have been unwilling to take up arms and invade France.&quot;

Do you mean the beginning of the 20th century? Just which war are you talking about? &quot;German men&quot; didn&#039;t just decide to invade France. Leaders of all those countries made certain decisions based on their perceived interests at the time. The soldiers obeyed their orders. You want to blame the leaders, go read some history and find out why they made the decisions they did.

&quot;The fact that they didn’t know anyone on the other side made it much easier for army recruiters to mobilize.&quot;

Why do you assume no one knew anyone on the other side? Why don&#039;t you find out if each army was volunteer or conscripted?

No wonder you guys are such useful idiots. You don&#039;t know anything and you dont&#039; even know what you don&#039;t know. So you can&#039;t apply any institutional wisdom to interpreting what you are experiencing now. Go look up the phrase &quot;useful idiot&quot; and who said it in what context, then look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this is the level of political naivete and ignorance we are dealing with?</p>
<p>&#8220;it is precisely because of dialogue groups and contact between people on both sides of the border why there is no conflict between France and Germany today.&#8221;</p>
<p>No it is not. &#8220;Dialogue groups&#8221; have had nothing to do with relations between France and Germany today, nor at any other time. None. Sorry, it didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>&#8220;It makes little sense to speak hypothetically but if Germans and French had known each other better than they did at the beginning of the 19th century, German men might have been unwilling to take up arms and invade France.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you mean the beginning of the 20th century? Just which war are you talking about? &#8220;German men&#8221; didn&#8217;t just decide to invade France. Leaders of all those countries made certain decisions based on their perceived interests at the time. The soldiers obeyed their orders. You want to blame the leaders, go read some history and find out why they made the decisions they did.</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact that they didn’t know anyone on the other side made it much easier for army recruiters to mobilize.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do you assume no one knew anyone on the other side? Why don&#8217;t you find out if each army was volunteer or conscripted?</p>
<p>No wonder you guys are such useful idiots. You don&#8217;t know anything and you dont&#8217; even know what you don&#8217;t know. So you can&#8217;t apply any institutional wisdom to interpreting what you are experiencing now. Go look up the phrase &#8220;useful idiot&#8221; and who said it in what context, then look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were recently in Israel this April and May for Pesach ie Passover. At one point we visited the Westbank or Judaia and Samaria as some prefer to call it. We had organized to go with a rather experienced Jewish guide on a day trip in the area. However, on the morning of the tour, we receive a phone call that the guide needs to cancel the trip because he unfortunately was required to organise the funeral arrangements of a young relative who had just been murdered by the Palestinians. The murdered young man was amongst a group of fellow Breslav Chasidism (harmless religious sect which is given to much ecstatic dancing like the whirling dervishs or the Hurri Christeners) who had visited Joseph&#039;s Tomb in Palestinian Authority controlled  (Nablus) to pray. No sooner had the Breslav van left the Palestinian controlled checkpoint than Palestinian Authority gunmen opened fire indiscriminately on it murdering the young relative of our guide!

There are many lessons we can draw from this but one thing is pretty clear.. Jews need to control their own religious sites because the goodwill of Arab neighbours can never be guaranteed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were recently in Israel this April and May for Pesach ie Passover. At one point we visited the Westbank or Judaia and Samaria as some prefer to call it. We had organized to go with a rather experienced Jewish guide on a day trip in the area. However, on the morning of the tour, we receive a phone call that the guide needs to cancel the trip because he unfortunately was required to organise the funeral arrangements of a young relative who had just been murdered by the Palestinians. The murdered young man was amongst a group of fellow Breslav Chasidism (harmless religious sect which is given to much ecstatic dancing like the whirling dervishs or the Hurri Christeners) who had visited Joseph&#8217;s Tomb in Palestinian Authority controlled  (Nablus) to pray. No sooner had the Breslav van left the Palestinian controlled checkpoint than Palestinian Authority gunmen opened fire indiscriminately on it murdering the young relative of our guide!</p>
<p>There are many lessons we can draw from this but one thing is pretty clear.. Jews need to control their own religious sites because the goodwill of Arab neighbours can never be guaranteed!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Netofi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Netofi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, Saeed Hotary enunciates the desire of the Palestinian leadership and what they teach now, and have taught, their populace for years: to expel the Jews. Individual hospitality and friendliness is a long-standing and admirable Arab tradition but does not change the world view of the majority of Arabs who lament a sovereign Jewish state regardless of the borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Saeed Hotary enunciates the desire of the Palestinian leadership and what they teach now, and have taught, their populace for years: to expel the Jews. Individual hospitality and friendliness is a long-standing and admirable Arab tradition but does not change the world view of the majority of Arabs who lament a sovereign Jewish state regardless of the borders.</p>
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		<title>By: sh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BI &quot;first real massacre of Jews in Europe occurred BEFORE the crusades in 1066 in Muslim Cordoba in Spain.&quot;

a) it wasn&#039;t the first massacre of Jews in Europe
b) it happened in Granada.

&quot;IT is true that there weren’t as many outright massacres,&quot;
Not nearly as many. Didn&#039;t come close.

&quot;but Jews were looked down on by the Muslim population&quot;
Shame. Catholics looked down upon by Protestants, Muslims looked down upon by Jews, Arabs looked down upon by Jews, Christians looked down upon by Jews, and all that viced and versaed to boot. Then, to top it all, sephardim looked down upon by ashkenazim as well (&amp; vice-versa too). What a world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BI &#8220;first real massacre of Jews in Europe occurred BEFORE the crusades in 1066 in Muslim Cordoba in Spain.&#8221;</p>
<p>a) it wasn&#8217;t the first massacre of Jews in Europe<br />
b) it happened in Granada.</p>
<p>&#8220;IT is true that there weren’t as many outright massacres,&#8221;<br />
Not nearly as many. Didn&#8217;t come close.</p>
<p>&#8220;but Jews were looked down on by the Muslim population&#8221;<br />
Shame. Catholics looked down upon by Protestants, Muslims looked down upon by Jews, Arabs looked down upon by Jews, Christians looked down upon by Jews, and all that viced and versaed to boot. Then, to top it all, sephardim looked down upon by ashkenazim as well (&amp; vice-versa too). What a world!</p>
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		<title>By: richard Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts exactly, Philos.  They&#039;ve been there a while.  Eventually, they&#039;re going to build houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts exactly, Philos.  They&#8217;ve been there a while.  Eventually, they&#8217;re going to build houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Philos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel Muse, what do you think of sitting in a camp for between 60 to 44 years (depending on their expulsion) you&#039;d remain in squalid conditions? Give these people some credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel Muse, what do you think of sitting in a camp for between 60 to 44 years (depending on their expulsion) you&#8217;d remain in squalid conditions? Give these people some credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel Muse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel Muse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hardly a refugee camp, do you actually look at pictures or just make things up as you go along??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hardly a refugee camp, do you actually look at pictures or just make things up as you go along??</p>
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