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		<title>By: Palestinian</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86304</link>
		<dc:creator>Palestinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You destroy several communities dispersed over a wide area of land ,concentrate them in one city,claim you built them a &quot;modern&quot; city and steal their land to make space for new upper-middle-class Jewish communities/kibbtuz/cities with low population density.So I was wrong ,I should have said the net result is negative not zero.One of the real problems of Israelis is their ignorance of the non-Jews  surrounding them esp those who live under their control,discrimination and oppression.I hope we can build and expand our communities,villages and cities everywhere in Palestine after we get rid of infiltrators and ship them back to Europe and Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You destroy several communities dispersed over a wide area of land ,concentrate them in one city,claim you built them a &#8220;modern&#8221; city and steal their land to make space for new upper-middle-class Jewish communities/kibbtuz/cities with low population density.So I was wrong ,I should have said the net result is negative not zero.One of the real problems of Israelis is their ignorance of the non-Jews  surrounding them esp those who live under their control,discrimination and oppression.I hope we can build and expand our communities,villages and cities everywhere in Palestine after we get rid of infiltrators and ship them back to Europe and Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86250</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Knesset made resident Arabs in Israel citizens a long time ago.  Perhaps you are advocating their removal (ah hum, just the citizen part, of course).  Please do.  The High Court will show its teeth.  In the US, Congress once tried to revoke the citizenship of naturalized citizens upon conviction of a federal crime.  The Supreme Court struck it down, saying once entered, all must be treated identically.  The 14th Amendment grants unalterable citizenship to those born in US jurisdiction; since that means you can&#039;t take theirs away, you can&#039;t take it away for naturalized citizens either.  I have no doubt even the present High Court would rule similarly.  But keep trying!  You still have a lot of unclean to push down the road, some road, somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Knesset made resident Arabs in Israel citizens a long time ago.  Perhaps you are advocating their removal (ah hum, just the citizen part, of course).  Please do.  The High Court will show its teeth.  In the US, Congress once tried to revoke the citizenship of naturalized citizens upon conviction of a federal crime.  The Supreme Court struck it down, saying once entered, all must be treated identically.  The 14th Amendment grants unalterable citizenship to those born in US jurisdiction; since that means you can&#8217;t take theirs away, you can&#8217;t take it away for naturalized citizens either.  I have no doubt even the present High Court would rule similarly.  But keep trying!  You still have a lot of unclean to push down the road, some road, somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86248</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased to see you have, with some not unexpected glosses, been keeping up with my positions; I take this as progress, as too your irritation.

On thread topic, I must note that one of the coauthors has stated exactly what I said:  that there is indeed a midlevel professional layer of the government which thinks differently than coaliton policy (which, in any case, seems at times to be who can be the toughest today).  Do you actually think the proposed administration budget in the US just comes on its own out of the President&#039;s office?  There are many internal fights, at several levels of government, before something is finalized (forgetting that the House has to actually begin the legislation).  All Chief Executives discover they can&#039;t generally be as powerful as they thought they&#039;d be.  There are many many books documenting how bureaucracy limits and prevents top down decisions.  What this piece says is that High Court decision may have more of an effect at mid level than the preening bird top level.  That is new, and hopeful.

But thanks for noticing my comments.  Many days, it is all I have to write them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased to see you have, with some not unexpected glosses, been keeping up with my positions; I take this as progress, as too your irritation.</p>
<p>On thread topic, I must note that one of the coauthors has stated exactly what I said:  that there is indeed a midlevel professional layer of the government which thinks differently than coaliton policy (which, in any case, seems at times to be who can be the toughest today).  Do you actually think the proposed administration budget in the US just comes on its own out of the President&#8217;s office?  There are many internal fights, at several levels of government, before something is finalized (forgetting that the House has to actually begin the legislation).  All Chief Executives discover they can&#8217;t generally be as powerful as they thought they&#8217;d be.  There are many many books documenting how bureaucracy limits and prevents top down decisions.  What this piece says is that High Court decision may have more of an effect at mid level than the preening bird top level.  That is new, and hopeful.</p>
<p>But thanks for noticing my comments.  Many days, it is all I have to write them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kolumn9</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86193</link>
		<dc:creator>Kolumn9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refute what you said? You said there were zero towns built for Arabs. I most certainly refuted it. You tried to spin away the fact that you were proven wrong and I didn&#039;t take the bait. Enjoy this nice photo of the city of Rahat, built by the Israeli government for Israeli Arabs:
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/19855329

Given your lack of knowledge of the subject matter I am assuming you don&#039;t live in Israel. Maybe you can come as a tourist one day to visit Rahat and the other 6 towns built by the Israeli government for Israeli Arabs and the many other Arab towns inside Israel. Have a wonderful day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refute what you said? You said there were zero towns built for Arabs. I most certainly refuted it. You tried to spin away the fact that you were proven wrong and I didn&#8217;t take the bait. Enjoy this nice photo of the city of Rahat, built by the Israeli government for Israeli Arabs:<br />
<a href="https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/19855329" rel="nofollow">https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/19855329</a></p>
<p>Given your lack of knowledge of the subject matter I am assuming you don&#8217;t live in Israel. Maybe you can come as a tourist one day to visit Rahat and the other 6 towns built by the Israeli government for Israeli Arabs and the many other Arab towns inside Israel. Have a wonderful day.</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86125</link>
		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard,
&quot;The Bad news centers around the question that perhaps there is still serious opposition to equality of rights. People who feel superior, or possibly frightened and threatened by the idea that Arabs are ‘just as good, and just as deserving,’ as they are. &quot;

Rights must be only equal to all citizens of same state. These Arabs are not Israeli citizens.

Here, have a look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_al-Fahm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard,<br />
&#8220;The Bad news centers around the question that perhaps there is still serious opposition to equality of rights. People who feel superior, or possibly frightened and threatened by the idea that Arabs are ‘just as good, and just as deserving,’ as they are. &#8221;</p>
<p>Rights must be only equal to all citizens of same state. These Arabs are not Israeli citizens.</p>
<p>Here, have a look:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_al-Fahm" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_al-Fahm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news. Now maybe we&#039;ll see more Arabs volunteering for the IDF or national service and paying their local taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news. Now maybe we&#8217;ll see more Arabs volunteering for the IDF or national service and paying their local taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: palestinian</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86069</link>
		<dc:creator>palestinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You couldn&#039;t even refute what I said . Israel is deceiving the bedouin Palestinians in Al Naqab ,destroying dozens of their communities and resettling them on a small piece of land! This time the people are aware of your dirty games. People have to reclaim back their land.The land doesn&#039;t belong to ashkenazi infiltrators .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You couldn&#8217;t even refute what I said . Israel is deceiving the bedouin Palestinians in Al Naqab ,destroying dozens of their communities and resettling them on a small piece of land! This time the people are aware of your dirty games. People have to reclaim back their land.The land doesn&#8217;t belong to ashkenazi infiltrators .</p>
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		<title>By: Kolumn9</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86057</link>
		<dc:creator>Kolumn9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god. You just construct a universe to your liking in your own mind, don&#039;t you?

First there is some invisible Gandhian mass movement among the Palestinians, then there was some stale theory about an imaginary and irreversible process of economic integration that would push Israel to grant citizenship to the Palestinians, then there are the persistent threats of violence as if it would be something new and unprecedented, and now we are on to some fiction about mid-career bureaucrats who have decided to care about unenforceable High Court advisory opinions while their actual evil bosses do not notice that money [that is in short supply] that could be spent on their own constituents is going to the Arabs, which is apparently something that they are working tirelessly to avoid only to be thwarted by some of their own underlings. And of course there is the obsession with the High Court which is best classified as pliable and better classified as marginal to the processes that take place, especially on issues of budget allocation.

I am sorry, but you are entirely out of your element here. Let me repeat... Israel is a small country with very limited budgets. There is no bureaucrat on earth that can stand up to a minister who is looking for somewhere to cut 3% of the budget and there is nowhere to hide the money that is used to fund all the programs  listed above. If it is going to those programs it is because it has been decided to direct it there at the highest levels. Your &quot;mid-level bureaucrat&quot; theory to the contrary is derived entirely from your imaginative perception of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god. You just construct a universe to your liking in your own mind, don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>First there is some invisible Gandhian mass movement among the Palestinians, then there was some stale theory about an imaginary and irreversible process of economic integration that would push Israel to grant citizenship to the Palestinians, then there are the persistent threats of violence as if it would be something new and unprecedented, and now we are on to some fiction about mid-career bureaucrats who have decided to care about unenforceable High Court advisory opinions while their actual evil bosses do not notice that money [that is in short supply] that could be spent on their own constituents is going to the Arabs, which is apparently something that they are working tirelessly to avoid only to be thwarted by some of their own underlings. And of course there is the obsession with the High Court which is best classified as pliable and better classified as marginal to the processes that take place, especially on issues of budget allocation.</p>
<p>I am sorry, but you are entirely out of your element here. Let me repeat&#8230; Israel is a small country with very limited budgets. There is no bureaucrat on earth that can stand up to a minister who is looking for somewhere to cut 3% of the budget and there is nowhere to hide the money that is used to fund all the programs  listed above. If it is going to those programs it is because it has been decided to direct it there at the highest levels. Your &#8220;mid-level bureaucrat&#8221; theory to the contrary is derived entirely from your imaginative perception of reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/a-dangerous-position/58002/comment-page-1/#comment-86047</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 04:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life forces growth.  I am glad to know of these 7, and think there will be more, for ultimately I do not think Israel will turn monstrous en toto to its own.  Eventually, social integration via rights will ocurr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life forces growth.  I am glad to know of these 7, and think there will be more, for ultimately I do not think Israel will turn monstrous en toto to its own.  Eventually, social integration via rights will ocurr.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 04:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Budgets get pushed up and down hierarchies in the process of formulation.  I suspect that mid level people urge more money spent toward Arab equality, pointing out that there is a standing High Court decesion which urges this in all social areas.  So provide something, mid levels say, to keep petitions to the High Court at bay.  This does not mean Bibi et al spend a lot of time trying to do the right thing.  They look at the money and place some to deflect possible future court confrontations.  This article shows me how the High Court can be indirectly somewhat effective; I have a better understanding of how constitutional logic may sometimes play out and am grateful to the authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Budgets get pushed up and down hierarchies in the process of formulation.  I suspect that mid level people urge more money spent toward Arab equality, pointing out that there is a standing High Court decesion which urges this in all social areas.  So provide something, mid levels say, to keep petitions to the High Court at bay.  This does not mean Bibi et al spend a lot of time trying to do the right thing.  They look at the money and place some to deflect possible future court confrontations.  This article shows me how the High Court can be indirectly somewhat effective; I have a better understanding of how constitutional logic may sometimes play out and am grateful to the authors.</p>
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