Comments on: +972′s Person of the Year: The Settler http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Fri, 24 May 2013 11:24:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: mudplanet http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100709 mudplanet Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:33:22 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100709 Right. As Israel becomes more racist and more like apartheid South Africa, it has become "more democratic." Right. As Israel becomes more racist and more like apartheid South Africa, it has become “more democratic.”

]]> By: Yosef H http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100568 Yosef H Mon, 31 Dec 2012 05:38:47 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100568 Wow thanks for making my day. I am feeling great knowing that this far left pro Islamist website is scared of the evil settler's lol..... Wow thanks for making my day. I am feeling great knowing that this far left pro Islamist website is scared of the evil settler’s lol…..

]]> By: Kolumn9 http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100526 Kolumn9 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:43:13 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100526 For the moment supporting Israel is the cheapest way to avoiding massively destructive wars between Israel and the Arabs. The US will dump Israel the moment it stops caring about maintaining the stability of the oil and gas supply from the Middle East. This isn't yet in sight but it also isn't inconceivable. This approach is what drives the US towards pushing for a peace process. The point isn't to make peace but to pacify the region at the expense of Israeli concessions, hence the in-built stress in the Israeli-American relationship. For the moment supporting Israel is the cheapest way to avoiding massively destructive wars between Israel and the Arabs. The US will dump Israel the moment it stops caring about maintaining the stability of the oil and gas supply from the Middle East. This isn’t yet in sight but it also isn’t inconceivable. This approach is what drives the US towards pushing for a peace process. The point isn’t to make peace but to pacify the region at the expense of Israeli concessions, hence the in-built stress in the Israeli-American relationship.

]]> By: Bronxman http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100496 Bronxman Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:16:43 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100496 138 vs 9! And of the 9 one was Israel and 4 were minute specs in the Pacific Ocean. One doesn't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. It seems that the condor has been replaced by the ostrich. 138 vs 9! And of the 9 one was Israel and 4 were minute specs in the Pacific Ocean. One doesn’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. It seems that the condor has been replaced by the ostrich.

]]> By: XYZ http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100420 XYZ Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:46:50 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100420 You must understand that in the mentality of the Israeli Leftist Establishment (which was fashioned by its Marxist forefathers who still have the mentality of that ideology while having thrown out its socalism) is that anyone who opposes the Left is essentially illegimate and inherently criminal. Many people think that Israel is a miniature version of the US and thus its democracy is a based on an American-British model which preaches tolerance for all views and the concept of a "loyal opposition". Unfortunately, the founders of Israel's political establishment did NOT come out of this worldview, but rather from an Eastern European one, which is far, far less tolerant. Please don't misunderstand me, Israel HAS become more democratic with the collapse of the Left and its ideological bankruptcy, but its anti-democratic tendencies and mentality still manifest themselves, as you indicated with their demonization of Lieberman, who is ultimately, NOT ONE OF THEM. You must understand that in the mentality of the Israeli Leftist Establishment (which was fashioned by its Marxist forefathers who still have the mentality of that ideology while having thrown out its socalism) is that anyone who opposes the Left is essentially illegimate and inherently criminal. Many people think that Israel is a miniature version of the US and thus its democracy is a based on an American-British model which preaches tolerance for all views and the concept of a “loyal opposition”. Unfortunately, the founders of Israel’s political establishment did NOT come out of this worldview, but rather from an Eastern European one, which is far, far less tolerant. Please don’t misunderstand me, Israel HAS become more democratic with the collapse of the Left and its ideological bankruptcy, but its anti-democratic tendencies and mentality still manifest themselves, as you indicated with their demonization of Lieberman, who is ultimately, NOT ONE OF THEM.

]]> By: Philos http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100418 Philos Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:42:18 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100418 "Isn't a very reliable patron." Indeed, there are South American right-wingers are inclined to disagree as well as Filipino, Indonesian, South Vietnamese, Taiwanese, Egyptian, Tunisian, Iranian, and Iraqi autocrats who disagree with your statement vis-a-vis the US as a reliable patron for Israel. . What is remarkable about the US relationship with Israel is that it is so anomalous in international relations history. “Isn’t a very reliable patron.” Indeed, there are South American right-wingers are inclined to disagree as well as Filipino, Indonesian, South Vietnamese, Taiwanese, Egyptian, Tunisian, Iranian, and Iraqi autocrats who disagree with your statement vis-a-vis the US as a reliable patron for Israel.
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What is remarkable about the US relationship with Israel is that it is so anomalous in international relations history.

]]> By: Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100377 Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:25:42 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100377 The article states: "The next generations of soldiers and leaders is being taught that the territory once regarded by the majority as temporarily occupied pending a negotiated solution, is actually part of the Israeli birthright." I don't like the price tag movement, the torching of mosques, or the uprooting of olive trees any more than any right thinking person does. And I abhor the attacks on Palestinian Arabs mentioned in this article. But it is certainly not true that Israel doesn't punish the perpetrators, in contrast to the Palestinian Arabs, who celebrate Arab attacks on Israelis and even name streets after terrorists. What's more, it IS true that all of Palestine, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, is the Israeli birthright. Title to this territory was given to the Jews by the 1920 San Remo Resolution, the 1922 Mandate for Palestine which called for the Jews to be encouraged to settle closely on the land and was ratified by all 52 members of the League of Nations, and the Anglo-American Convention, a treaty by which the United States ratified the Mandate for Palestine, incorporating it word for word. The rights of all peoples given to them by previous legal instruments is protected by Article 80 of the U.N. Charter, a fact which many of the U.N. members seem to have forgotten but the rest of the world should not. The documents I have mentioned are readily available on the Internet. The writers of this article should read them, and so should some of those who are commenting here. The article states: “The next generations of soldiers and leaders is being taught that the territory once regarded by the majority as temporarily occupied pending a negotiated solution, is actually part of the Israeli birthright.” I don’t like the price tag movement, the torching of mosques, or the uprooting of olive trees any more than any right thinking person does. And I abhor the attacks on Palestinian Arabs mentioned in this article. But it is certainly not true that Israel doesn’t punish the perpetrators, in contrast to the Palestinian Arabs, who celebrate Arab attacks on Israelis and even name streets after terrorists. What’s more, it IS true that all of Palestine, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, is the Israeli birthright. Title to this territory was given to the Jews by the 1920 San Remo Resolution, the 1922 Mandate for Palestine which called for the Jews to be encouraged to settle closely on the land and was ratified by all 52 members of the League of Nations, and the Anglo-American Convention, a treaty by which the United States ratified the Mandate for Palestine, incorporating it word for word. The rights of all peoples given to them by previous legal instruments is protected by Article 80 of the U.N. Charter, a fact which many of the U.N. members seem to have forgotten but the rest of the world should not. The documents I have mentioned are readily available on the Internet. The writers of this article should read them, and so should some of those who are commenting here.

]]> By: Udi Schayat http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100285 Udi Schayat Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:52:34 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100285 Last week, the leftists published a small mistake, incorrect thing made by Liberman few years ago and made it like it is the MOST important crime in the world. Leftist promote it by big head lines in "Yediot Acharonot" newspaper, in the very top of first page, in VERY large letters with a picture of the "criminal", published every day like a Swiss clock. It looks like it is more important than rebels in Syria killing others (rebels terrorists started the fight and leftist support them, like they did in Libya by removing the GOOD Kadafi- references are available). Last week, the leftists published a small mistake, incorrect thing made by Liberman few years ago and made it like it is the MOST important crime in the world.
Leftist promote it by big head lines in “Yediot Acharonot” newspaper, in the very top of first page, in VERY large letters with a picture of the “criminal”, published every day like a Swiss clock.
It looks like it is more important than rebels in Syria killing others (rebels terrorists started the fight and leftist support them, like they did in Libya by removing the GOOD Kadafi- references are available).

]]> By: The Trespasser http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100233 The Trespasser Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:10:09 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100233 > Those who require a handbook from God will listen to nothing save that book And what would you say about those who claim that no matter what they do - good or bad - it's fine because it is all prescribed and people carry no responsibility for their own deeds as long as they are done in the name of book/god? To whom these people would listen and how one should deal with them? > Those who require a handbook from God will listen to nothing save that book

And what would you say about those who claim that no matter what they do – good or bad – it’s fine because it is all prescribed and people carry no responsibility for their own deeds as long as they are done in the name of book/god?

To whom these people would listen and how one should deal with them?

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/972s-person-of-the-year-the-settler/62756/comment-page-1/#comment-100129 Greg Pollock Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:49:44 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=62756#comment-100129 I agree on all counts, save the "existence of Israel" one which, at least in the Bank PA, has already been affirmed. I agree on all counts, save the “existence of Israel” one which, at least in the Bank PA, has already been affirmed.

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