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	<title>Comments on: &#8217;60 Minutes&#8217; report on Palestinian Christians gets it wrong</title>
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		<title>By: Lennart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lennart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 07:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ jack
and therefor its justified that Israel cleans out the rest?


then i agree with the writer but it was more Israel criticism then i thought it would be, its still an american TV station and the incident at the embassy shows me that a more critic report never would been broadcasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ jack<br />
and therefor its justified that Israel cleans out the rest?</p>
<p>then i agree with the writer but it was more Israel criticism then i thought it would be, its still an american TV station and the incident at the embassy shows me that a more critic report never would been broadcasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 11:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how KOLUMN9 contradicts himself. One moment he says it is true the Christians are leaving because of Muslim gangs... the other he says it&#039;s because of the economy. Make up your mind already.

Spin it like you want, buddy, but we actually have polls about Palestinian Christian opinion, and they don&#039;t support the tale you trying to tell. According to the Palestinian Lutheran group Diya, 0.8% of fleeing Christians say anything about Muslims being the reason for their leaving Palestine.

That Christians are (at least according to you) increasingly ill-represented in Palestinian groups may be only because of their shrinking numbers, not because of any change in their status as members of Palestinian society. In any event, the PLO is still there, with a fair number of Christian members, and not committed with any religionist agenda. It is a secular group by definition, though Israel&#039;s enabling of Hamas in past decades did weaken secular militancy.


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@F CALLEN

Go to the following link. A Palestiniasn Christian woman has the answer:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450004577277833517609876.html

&quot;I am one of those Palestinian Christians that Mr. Oren refers to, who live inside Israel. At no time in my life have I ever felt the &quot;respect and appreciation&quot; by the Jewish state which Mr. Oren so glowingly refers to in his last paragraph. Israel&#039;s Christian minority is marginalized in much the same manner as its Muslim one, or at best, quietly tolerated. We suffer the same discrimination when we try to find a job, when we go to hospitals, when we apply for bank loans and when we get on the bus. In my daily dealings with the state, all I have felt is rudeness and overt contempt.

Fida Jiryis&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how KOLUMN9 contradicts himself. One moment he says it is true the Christians are leaving because of Muslim gangs&#8230; the other he says it&#8217;s because of the economy. Make up your mind already.</p>
<p>Spin it like you want, buddy, but we actually have polls about Palestinian Christian opinion, and they don&#8217;t support the tale you trying to tell. According to the Palestinian Lutheran group Diya, 0.8% of fleeing Christians say anything about Muslims being the reason for their leaving Palestine.</p>
<p>That Christians are (at least according to you) increasingly ill-represented in Palestinian groups may be only because of their shrinking numbers, not because of any change in their status as members of Palestinian society. In any event, the PLO is still there, with a fair number of Christian members, and not committed with any religionist agenda. It is a secular group by definition, though Israel&#8217;s enabling of Hamas in past decades did weaken secular militancy.</p>
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<p>@F CALLEN</p>
<p>Go to the following link. A Palestiniasn Christian woman has the answer:</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450004577277833517609876.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304450004577277833517609876.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I am one of those Palestinian Christians that Mr. Oren refers to, who live inside Israel. At no time in my life have I ever felt the &#8220;respect and appreciation&#8221; by the Jewish state which Mr. Oren so glowingly refers to in his last paragraph. Israel&#8217;s Christian minority is marginalized in much the same manner as its Muslim one, or at best, quietly tolerated. We suffer the same discrimination when we try to find a job, when we go to hospitals, when we apply for bank loans and when we get on the bus. In my daily dealings with the state, all I have felt is rudeness and overt contempt.</p>
<p>Fida Jiryis&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kolumn9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolumn9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 04:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinian, I don&#039;t decide who is marginal, I just point out things that are already obvious. Your retort supports my position. For demonstrating that Christians aren&#039;t marginalized in the Palestinian National Movement you point to a document put out by unelected Christian clergy. For arguing against the Islamist dominance of the movement you argued that Fatah who operated the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade which made a name for itself by using such Christian methods of fighting as suicide bombings is some kind of secular organization. You also pointed to the PFLP and DFLP as being secular. Even if they were once secular, they are marginal according to opinion polls, activities during the intifada and election results. There is no room for Christians in Hamas. There is shrinking room for them in Fatah. These are the dominant groups and they are both turning to Islamic symbols and slogans. Where could the Christians go?
.

Leen, it is great that the Catholic school preaches Palestinian unity to its mostly Muslim student body. I would certainly prefer the Palestinian movement to be as influenced by secular and Christian elements as possible, however looking at election results, fighting methods, leaderships, regional trends and the simple fact of the massive departure of the Christians it is simply impossible to avoid the conclusion that Christians have been marginalized and have chosen to withdraw abroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestinian, I don&#8217;t decide who is marginal, I just point out things that are already obvious. Your retort supports my position. For demonstrating that Christians aren&#8217;t marginalized in the Palestinian National Movement you point to a document put out by unelected Christian clergy. For arguing against the Islamist dominance of the movement you argued that Fatah who operated the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade which made a name for itself by using such Christian methods of fighting as suicide bombings is some kind of secular organization. You also pointed to the PFLP and DFLP as being secular. Even if they were once secular, they are marginal according to opinion polls, activities during the intifada and election results. There is no room for Christians in Hamas. There is shrinking room for them in Fatah. These are the dominant groups and they are both turning to Islamic symbols and slogans. Where could the Christians go?<br />
.</p>
<p>Leen, it is great that the Catholic school preaches Palestinian unity to its mostly Muslim student body. I would certainly prefer the Palestinian movement to be as influenced by secular and Christian elements as possible, however looking at election results, fighting methods, leaderships, regional trends and the simple fact of the massive departure of the Christians it is simply impossible to avoid the conclusion that Christians have been marginalized and have chosen to withdraw abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: F Callen</title>
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		<dc:creator>F Callen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are Christian Arabs *inside* the green line faring?</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 02:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct:  The aired report did not leave the impression that Christian Palestinians are persecuted just like Muslim Palestinians, by virtue of being Palestinian.  But, the report did open the door to more discussion of the plight of Christian Palestinians, a direct counter-argument to Israeli hasbara, a discussion that makes the Israeli govt very very nervous.  They worry that American Christians will react to the persecution of their co-religionists in the WB and Gaza and they are right to worry.  Now, somebody with a big stick has to take up this issue and exploit it relentlessly so that Americans, of all faiths, wake up to the criminality of the &quot;Jewish State.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct:  The aired report did not leave the impression that Christian Palestinians are persecuted just like Muslim Palestinians, by virtue of being Palestinian.  But, the report did open the door to more discussion of the plight of Christian Palestinians, a direct counter-argument to Israeli hasbara, a discussion that makes the Israeli govt very very nervous.  They worry that American Christians will react to the persecution of their co-religionists in the WB and Gaza and they are right to worry.  Now, somebody with a big stick has to take up this issue and exploit it relentlessly so that Americans, of all faiths, wake up to the criminality of the &#8220;Jewish State.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even in Israel the number of Palestinian Christians have reduced from 25% (of the 20% minority) to 10%.

Source:
Israel&#039;s Purging of Palestinian Christians
http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0294.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in Israel the number of Palestinian Christians have reduced from 25% (of the 20% minority) to 10%.</p>
<p>Source:<br />
Israel&#8217;s Purging of Palestinian Christians<br />
<a href="http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0294.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0294.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ignatz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I interpreted the story as banal proof that the in the current ideological climate the US media cannot do a story that makes Israel look bad unless they bend over backwards to make Muslims look bad at the same time.

I did not see it as a serious attempt to get the facts right.  I saw it as an attempt to get some wiggle-room to do a story that gave something less than fawning praise for Israel

I don&#039;t know whether this should make me happier or more depressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I interpreted the story as banal proof that the in the current ideological climate the US media cannot do a story that makes Israel look bad unless they bend over backwards to make Muslims look bad at the same time.</p>
<p>I did not see it as a serious attempt to get the facts right.  I saw it as an attempt to get some wiggle-room to do a story that gave something less than fawning praise for Israel</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether this should make me happier or more depressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family is half Christian and half Muslims and quite frankly, no one on either side has expressed worry or said they felt pressure because of their said religion. If anything, the biggest problem both sides are facing is Israeli occupation. I&#039;ve also went to a Catholic school actually, and the nuns have always stressed unity in face of the israeli occupation, and that the Palestinian cause is the Palestinian cause, not the &#039;muslim&#039; or &#039;christian cause&#039;.

And quite frankly, it makes me sick when people imply a divide and conquer technique to this society. Whether it is internally or externally. Palestinian Christians are not marginalized, nor are they caught in the middle.. yes they are the minority and as a result you won&#039;t see them being dominant in certain groups.

Plus Israeli occupational aggression has always been on Palestinian Christians and Muslims, they have bombed churches and mosques alike (as well as the Nativity church), they have destroyed muslim and christian houses, and they have lumped them in the same category &#039;non-jews&#039;. 

Some of the most active and passionate people t about the Palestinian cause that I know are Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family is half Christian and half Muslims and quite frankly, no one on either side has expressed worry or said they felt pressure because of their said religion. If anything, the biggest problem both sides are facing is Israeli occupation. I&#8217;ve also went to a Catholic school actually, and the nuns have always stressed unity in face of the israeli occupation, and that the Palestinian cause is the Palestinian cause, not the &#8216;muslim&#8217; or &#8216;christian cause&#8217;.</p>
<p>And quite frankly, it makes me sick when people imply a divide and conquer technique to this society. Whether it is internally or externally. Palestinian Christians are not marginalized, nor are they caught in the middle.. yes they are the minority and as a result you won&#8217;t see them being dominant in certain groups.</p>
<p>Plus Israeli occupational aggression has always been on Palestinian Christians and Muslims, they have bombed churches and mosques alike (as well as the Nativity church), they have destroyed muslim and christian houses, and they have lumped them in the same category &#8216;non-jews&#8217;. </p>
<p>Some of the most active and passionate people t about the Palestinian cause that I know are Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: palestinian</title>
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		<dc:creator>palestinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kolumn9 ,I noticed that you decide who is marignal to our society (not yours) and you believe it trying to make it look as a fact !Hawatmeh is Jordanian ,whats your point ? that he isnt part of the Palestinian struggle only because he isnt Palestinian ? Why dont you conduct a survey among Palestinian Christians ?Lets pretend that the majority of them didnt state that they are leaving because of the Israeli occpuation(aka terrorism)... I didnt know Fateh ,DELP and PELP are Islamists (the word thats used worldwide to describe people who choose to follow Islam)but what I&#039;m definietely sure about is that Kairos Palestine isnt an Islamic group. A moment of truth wasnt written by Muslim Palestinians,read it and enjoy your desperate efforts to marginalize the Christians in Palestine to present the conflict as Jews vs Muslims to get support and sympathy from the ignorant people abroad.A typical Zionist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kolumn9 ,I noticed that you decide who is marignal to our society (not yours) and you believe it trying to make it look as a fact !Hawatmeh is Jordanian ,whats your point ? that he isnt part of the Palestinian struggle only because he isnt Palestinian ? Why dont you conduct a survey among Palestinian Christians ?Lets pretend that the majority of them didnt state that they are leaving because of the Israeli occpuation(aka terrorism)&#8230; I didnt know Fateh ,DELP and PELP are Islamists (the word thats used worldwide to describe people who choose to follow Islam)but what I&#8217;m definietely sure about is that Kairos Palestine isnt an Islamic group. A moment of truth wasnt written by Muslim Palestinians,read it and enjoy your desperate efforts to marginalize the Christians in Palestine to present the conflict as Jews vs Muslims to get support and sympathy from the ignorant people abroad.A typical Zionist?</p>
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		<title>By: Kolumn9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolumn9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinian, you referring to Chris Bandak, the only known Christian member of the Tanzim and of the al-Aqsa Martyr&#039;s Brigade. This in comparison to the 1960s when Christians Habash and Hawatmeh (not a Palestinian) were the leaders of the PFLP and the DFLP. Instead of being political leaders the diminishing Palestinian Christian community is now represented by priests. Yes, the Christians are now marginal to Palestinian society and yes, they are excluded, demotivated and broken. Best as I can tell they are running away because of the economic consequences of the second intifada launched by their Islamist brothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestinian, you referring to Chris Bandak, the only known Christian member of the Tanzim and of the al-Aqsa Martyr&#8217;s Brigade. This in comparison to the 1960s when Christians Habash and Hawatmeh (not a Palestinian) were the leaders of the PFLP and the DFLP. Instead of being political leaders the diminishing Palestinian Christian community is now represented by priests. Yes, the Christians are now marginal to Palestinian society and yes, they are excluded, demotivated and broken. Best as I can tell they are running away because of the economic consequences of the second intifada launched by their Islamist brothers.</p>
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